I don’t usually get MSN messages at 8am in a public holiday morning.
But I did get 1 today from my good friend ET.
ET has read my report on Hyflux last night and he was eager to share with me what he thought first thing in the morning.
I really appreciate his enthusiasm.
Something new that I have learnt from him is that he uses:
EARNINGS/MARKET CAP x 100%
as the yield of stock.
Hyflux’s market cap is $3 billion. Earnings in 2007 is $32,949,000. Based on this formula: Yield of Hyflux stock is therefore 1.1%.
The following is an excerpt on what ‘discussed’ online:
ET:
i just read the report
ET:
was good in general, though conclusion is not firm
DW:
thanks
DW:
cos at this point, I want to wait for the market to be more clear before I can firm up a plan, so conclusion is to keep a close eye on Hyflux
ET:
anyway, good try, though if i were writing, definitely, the conclusion is: don’t buy @ current price
ET:
i would be uncomfortable owning something with PB > 2+ without strong reason
DW:
but the thing I don’t know what price is good.
DW:
cos some people like O’Neal, he cares more about growth than PB or PE
ET:
even growth has been inconsistent in the net profit
DW:
agree
ET:
revenue growth is one thing, but if it’s achieved @ net profit expense, growth is useless
DW:
net profit was not consistent because of 2006 figures
DW:
I think we can wait for 1 to 2 more years to see if the net profits are consistent, need more data to support
ET:
and u mentioned she bought sino….
DW:
yes, SinoSpring
DW:
she put in more stakes
ET:
well, i hope this is not just to drive up the revenue
DW:
was only 50% then 80%
DW:
no, in fact the year she bought SinoSpring, SinoSpring had a revenue decrease…that’s something I don’t understand!??
ET:
when growth slows down, companies tend to go M&A way
ET:
ic
ET:
is Sino spring @ public listed company?
DW:
Err…don’t think so…need to check
DW:
but SinoSpring owns a lot of desalination plants
ET:
Hyflux in general has a good future, but seems it’s priced in the share
DW:
i agree
DW:
PB and PE are ridiculously high. BUT BUT…again I want to find out if this is also equally high for other companies in the same industry in the world.
ET:
that’s a good idea
DW:
and also…..
DW:
1 thing I am not good at mastering is to come out a price objective.
ET:
well, I would do that with 2 measures
DW:
tell me more man.
ET:
1. p/e (if it has stabilized)
ET:
2. book value
ET:
if pe= 15, and PB = 2, I guess in general it seems to indicate fair value (with average growth rate)
ET:
however if pe < 15, or PB < 1, maybe worth buying, especially if the PE < 10, probably a bargain
ET:
that’s my standard
DW:
but how did you come out these benchmark numbers?
ET:
to make it simple
ET:
think of yield of bond
DW:
ok…i am familiar with bond..
ET:
earning/ market cap * 100% is stock yield
DW:
oh…
DW:
if earnings/market cap of Hyflux..say…10% then consider not bad?
DW:
this is interesting…
ET:
if earning has been stable, yes
DW:
did you come out this concept yourself..or you read it from somewhere?
ET:
I definitely read it from somewhere long ago
ET:
which i could not recall
ET:
i guess even intelligent investor has some section in it
DW:
very good..you remember the important concepts
DW:
okay…i’ll try to re-read.
ET:
it discusses valuation model -> by net asset, earning, and dividend
ET:
I tend to remember if I practise it
ET:
hence, i seldom write it
ET:
writing is a chore to me
DW:
haha…
DW:
Don’t need to write…just draw some mind map…
ET:
now, gtg
ET:
have a few hundreds pages to go
ET:
about john kenneth galbraith life
DW:
who is he?
ET:
great economist born in canada, who is influenced by keynes
ET:
he has served in us govt during war time
DW:
interesting….
DW:
btw, is there anything more you want to add about Hyflux?
ET:
conclusion is “future is bright as people will need water forever, however, to expect the company to deliver as good investment is doubtful given the current valuation”
DW:
very good punch line!
ET:
remember, good company does not constitute as good investment if it’s bought @ a high price
DW:
thanks…what you write today is very valuable to me.
ET:
u should read another interesting book
ET:
four pillar of investing by william bernstein
DW:
cool cool….i will check it out at bookstore